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        echo "The recommended minimum space requirement for installation is ${SPACE_MINIMUM_REQUIRED='5'} G."         echo "The recommended minimum space requirement for installation is ${SPACE_MINIMUM_REQUIRED} G."
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        scratch_net="/scratch_net/$(hostname -s)"
        if mountpoint -q "${sc
ratch_net}"; then
            CONDA_BASE_DIR="${scratch_net}/${USER}"
        if grep -q scratch_net /etc/auto.master; then
            CONDA_BASE_DIR="/scratch_net/$(hostname -s)/${USER}"
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        if [[ -d "${1}" ]]; then
            CONDA_BASE_DIR="${1}"
        else
            title 'Warning!'
            echo "Directory '${1}' does not exist."
            exit 1
        fi
        CONDA_BASE_DIR="${1}"
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# Check if this script is started on an Euler login node, if it is, suggest a custom install location and exit
if [[ -z ${HOSTNAME} ]]; then
    host_name=$(hostname -s)
else
    host_name=${HOSTNAME}
fi
if [[ -n ${host_name} ]]; then
    if [[ ${host_name%-*} == 'eu-login' ]]; then
        echo "It seems you're using this script on the Euler cluster."
        echo 'Provide a custom location for installation, for example in your Euler home:'
        echo "${BASH_SOURCE[0]} ${HOME}/conda"
        exit 1
    fi
fi

# Create install location if it doesn't exist
if [[ ! -d "${CONDA_BASE_DIR}" ]]; then
    mkdir -p "${CONDA_BASE_DIR}"
fi
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# Locations for conda installation, packet cache and environments # Locations for conda installation, packet cache and virtual environments
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# Abort if pre-existing installation is found
if [[ -d "${CONDA_INSTALL_DIR}" ]]; then
    if [[ -z "$(find "${CONDA_INSTALL_DIR}" -maxdepth 0 -type d -empty 2>/dev/null)" ]]; then
        title 'Checking installation path'
        echo "The installation path '${CONDA_INSTALL_DIR}' is not empty."
        echo 'Aborting installation.'
        exit 1
    fi
fi
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# Check installation path, abort if it exists, otherwise create it
title 'Checking installation path'
if [[ -d "${CONDA_INSTALL_DIR}" ]]; then
    echo "The installation path '${CONDA_INSTALL_DIR}' already exists."
    echo "Aborting installation."
    exit 1
fi
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title 'Downloading and installing conda:' title 'Downloading and installing conda'
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# Prevent conda from using user site-packages
mkdir -p "${CONDA_INSTALL_DIR}/etc/conda/activate.d"
cat > "${CONDA_INSTALL_DIR}/etc/conda/activate.d/disable-PYTHONUSERBASE.sh" << EOF
#!/bin/bash
export PYTHONUSERBASE=intentionally-disabled
EOF
chmod +x "${CONDA_INSTALL_DIR}/etc/conda/activate.d/disable-PYTHONUSERBASE.sh"
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title 'Updating conda and conda base environment:' title 'Updating conda and conda base environment'
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title 'Removing unused packages and caches:' title 'Removing unused packages and caches'
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title 'Information about this conda installation:' title 'Information about this conda installation'
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title 'Initialize conda immediately:' title 'Initialize conda immediately'
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title 'Automatically initialize conda for future shell sessions:' title 'Automatically initialize conda for future shell sessions'
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title 'Completely remove conda:' title 'Completely remove conda'
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}}}
Save this script as `install_conda.sh`, make it executable with
{{{
chmod +x ./install_conda.sh
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`conda` allows to seperate installed software packages from each other by creating so-called ''environments''. Using environments is best practice to generate deterministic and reproducible tools. `conda` allows to seperate installed software packages from each other by creating so-called ''[[#Environments|environments]]''. Using environments is best practice to generate deterministic and reproducible tools.
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It is best practice to seperate packages in different environments if they don't need to interact. It is best practice to seperate packages in different [[#Environments|environments]] if they don't need to interact.
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conda create --name py37 python=3.7.3 conda create --name py38 python=3.8.5
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conda create --name pytcu10 pytorch torchvision cudatoolkit=10.0 --channel pytorch
}}}
conda create --name pytcu10 pytorch torchvision cudatoolkit=10.1 --channel pytorch
}}}
 * Be sure to read [[Programming/Languages/GPUCPU#Installing_a_specific_toolkit_version_with_conda|Installing a specific toolkit version]] if you intend to use this example for more than just first steps with conda.
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conda create --name tencu10 tensorflow-gpu cudatoolkit=10.0
}}}
conda create --name tencu10 tensorflow-gpu cudatoolkit=10.1
}}}
 * Be sure to read [[Programming/Languages/GPUCPU#Installing_a_specific_toolkit_version_with_conda|Installing a specific toolkit version]] if you intend to use this example for more than just first steps with conda.
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`conda` automatically installs a default environment called ''base'' with a `python` interpreter, [[https://pypi.org/project/pip/|pip]] and other tools to start coding in python. Whether you want to use and extend this environment or create your own is up to you. At the time of writing this information it is not possible to remove the base environment. `conda` automatically installs a default environment called ''base'' with a `python` interpreter, [[https://pypi.org/project/pip/|pip]] and other tools to start coding in python.
 * /!\ It is strongly discouraged to use the ''base'' environment for projects. It's purpose is to provide the tools to maintain other environments, nothing else.
 * /!\ Set up a new environment for each project. This ensures reproducability and facilitates environment related problem solving.
 * /!\ Only auto activate an environment in your shell initialisation script if you understand exactly what this entails.
 * It's good practice to make sure [[#Check_for_conda_initialization_and_active_environment|conda is initialized and the wanted environment is active]] before trying to use it
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==== Installing packages with pip ====
Using `pip` to install packages in a `conda` environment is not recommended. The reasons are explained extensively in the article [[https://www.anaconda.com/blog/using-pip-in-a-conda-environment|Using Pip in a Conda Environment]].<<BR>>
In case a package is only available through `pip`, follow the best practices checklist outlined in this article. The following is a short summary of the checklist:
 * Install as many dependencies as possible with `conda` before resorting to `pip`
 * Set the experimental option `conda config --set pip_interop_enabled True`
 . For details see [[https://docs.conda.io/projects/conda/en/latest/user-guide/configuration/pip-interoperability.html|Improving interoperability with pip]]
 * Don't run `pip` with a non-default option `--upgrade-strategy`, keep the default of `--upgrade-strategy only-if-needed`
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==== Check for conda initialization and active environment ====
To make sure conda is initialized and an environment is active the following script can be started:
{{{#!highlight bash numbers=disable
#!/bin/bash

if [[ -z ${CONDA_EXE} ]]; then
    echo 'Environment variable CONDA_EXE is not set.'
    echo 'Please make sure conda is properly initialized.'
    exit 1
else
    if [[ ! -x ${CONDA_EXE} ]]; then
        echo "${CONDA_EXE} is not executable."
        echo "Please make sure it exists and is executable."
        exit 2
    else
        if [[ -z ${CONDA_DEFAULT_ENV} ]]; then
            echo 'Environment variable CONDA_DEFAULT_ENV is not set.'
            echo 'Please make sure to activate a conda environment.'
            exit 3
        else
            conda info
        fi
    fi
fi
}}}
Save this script as `conda_env_check.sh`, make it executable with
{{{
chmod +x ./conda_env_check.sh
}}}
A use case is to start this script within a [[Services/SLURM#sbatch_-.3E_Submitting_a_job|cluster job]] before using the first command installed in an environment. You can either run the script from your cluster job or place your job commands into the innermost branch after the command `conda info`.
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If the message ''"Not enough space on partition mounted at /tmp."'' is shown during a package installation, set the TMPDIR variable to a location with enough available space:
{{{
export TMPDIR="/scratch/$USER/tmp"
If the message ''"Not enough space on partition mounted at /tmp."'' is shown during a package installation, create a directory in a location with enough available space and point the TMPDIR variable to this location:
{{{
TMPDIR="/scratch/$USER/tmp" && mkdir -p "${TMPDIR}" && export TMPDIR
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}}}
==== Convenient alias ====
Above commands can be conveniently pulled together and defined as an alias for easier manual updates of the `base` environment and subsequent cleanup:
{{{
alias conda_update='conda update conda --yes && conda update -n base --update-all --yes && conda clean --all --yes'

Contents

  1. Setting up a personal python development infrastructure
    1. Installing conda
    2. conda storage locations
      1. Pre-set install locations
      2. Custom install location
      3. conda directories
    3. Using conda
      1. Installation examples
        1. Creating an environment with a specific python version
        2. Creating an environment with the GPU version of pytorch and CUDA toolkit 10
        3. Creating an environment with the GPU version of tensorflow and CUDA toolkit 10
      2. Environments
        1. Create an environment called "my_env" with packages "package1" and "package2" installed
        2. Activate the environment called "my_env"
        3. Deactivate the current environment
        4. List available environments
        5. Remove the environment called "my_env"
        6. Create a cloned environment named "cloned_env" from "original_env"
        7. Export the active environment definition to the file "my_env.yml"
        8. Recreate a previously exported environment
        9. Creates the environment "my_env" in the specified location
        10. Update an active environment
      3. Packages
        1. Search for a package named "package1"
        2. Search for packages with "pack" in their name
        3. Install the package named "package1" in the active environment
        4. List packages installed in the active environment
        5. Add software channels
        6. Show software channels
        7. Search for public (unofficial) packages
        8. Installing packages with pip
      4. Miscellaneous
        1. Display information about the current conda installation
        2. Check for conda initialization and active environment
        3. Change TMPDIR
      5. Maintenance
        1. Remove index cache, lock files, unused cache packages, and tarballs
        2. Update conda without any active environment
        3. Convenient alias
      6. Backup

Setting up a personal python development infrastructure

This page shows how to set up a personal python development infrastructure, how to use it, how to maintain it and make backups of your project environments.

Some examples for software installation in the field of data sciences are provided.

The infrastructure is driven by the conda packet manager which accesses the Anaconda repositories to install software.

After familiarizing yourself with conda, read this collection of hints and explanations about available platforms on which to use your infrastructure and particularities of the software packages involved.

Installing conda

  • Time to install: ~1.5 minutes
  • Space required: ~370M

To provide conda, the minimal anaconda distribution miniconda can be installed and configured for the D-ITET infrastructure with the following bash script:

#!/bin/bash

SPACE_MINIMUM_REQUIRED='5'

if [[ -z "${1}" ]]; then
    # Default install location
    OPTION='netscratch'
else
    OPTION="${1}"
fi

line=$(printf '%*s\n' "${COLUMNS:-$(tput cols)}" '' |tr ' ' '-')

# Display underlined title to improve readability of script output
function title()
{
    echo
    echo "$@"
    echo "${line}"
}

case "${OPTION}" in
    h|help|'-h'|'--help')
        title 'Possible installation options are:'
        echo 'Install conda to your local scratch disk:'
        echo "${BASH_SOURCE[0]} localscratch"
        echo
        echo 'Install conda to your directory on net_scratch:'
        echo "${BASH_SOURCE[0]}"
        echo 'or'
        echo "${BASH_SOURCE[0]} netscratch"
        echo
        echo 'Provide a custom location for installation'
        echo "${BASH_SOURCE[0]} /path/to/custom/location"
        echo
        echo "The recommended minimum space requirement for installation is ${SPACE_MINIMUM_REQUIRED} G."
        exit 0
        ;;
    l|local|localscratch|'-l'|'-local'|'-localscratch')
        # If local scratch is made available through scratch_net, use its path in
        # order to be able to access it on other hosts through scratch_net
        if grep -q scratch_net /etc/auto.master; then
            CONDA_BASE_DIR="/scratch_net/$(hostname -s)/${USER}"
        else
            CONDA_BASE_DIR="/scratch/${USER}"
        fi
        ;;
    n|net|netscratch|'-n'|'-net'|'-netscratch')
        CONDA_BASE_DIR="/itet-stor/${USER}/net_scratch"
        ;;
    *)
        CONDA_BASE_DIR="${1}"
        ;;
esac

# Check if this script is started on an Euler login node, if it is, suggest a custom install location and exit
if [[ -z ${HOSTNAME} ]]; then
    host_name=$(hostname -s)
else
    host_name=${HOSTNAME}
fi
if [[ -n ${host_name} ]]; then
    if [[ ${host_name%-*} == 'eu-login' ]]; then
        echo "It seems you're using this script on the Euler cluster."
        echo 'Provide a custom location for installation, for example in your Euler home:'
        echo "${BASH_SOURCE[0]} ${HOME}/conda"
        exit 1
    fi
fi

# Create install location if it doesn't exist
if [[ ! -d "${CONDA_BASE_DIR}" ]]; then
    mkdir -p "${CONDA_BASE_DIR}"
fi

# Check available space on selected install location
SPACE_AVAILABLE=$(($(stat -f --format="%a*%S" ${CONDA_BASE_DIR})/1024/1024/1024))
if [[ ${SPACE_AVAILABLE} -lt ${SPACE_MINIMUM_REQUIRED} ]]; then
    title 'Warning!'
    echo "Available space on '${CONDA_BASE_DIR}' is ${SPACE_AVAILABLE} G."
    echo "This is less than the minimum recommendation of ${SPACE_MINIMUM_REQUIRED} G."
    read -p "Press 'y' if you want to continue installing anwyway: " -n 1 -r
    echo
    if [[ ! ${REPLY} =~ ^[Yy]$ ]]; then
        exit 1
    fi
fi

# Locations for conda installation, packet cache and virtual environments
CONDA_INSTALL_DIR="${CONDA_BASE_DIR}/conda"
CONDA_PACKET_CACHE_DIR="${CONDA_BASE_DIR}/conda_pkgs"
CONDA_ENV_DIR="${CONDA_BASE_DIR}/conda_envs"

# Abort if pre-existing installation is found
if [[ -d "${CONDA_INSTALL_DIR}" ]]; then
    if [[ -z "$(find "${CONDA_INSTALL_DIR}" -maxdepth 0 -type d -empty 2>/dev/null)" ]]; then
        title 'Checking installation path'
        echo "The installation path '${CONDA_INSTALL_DIR}' is not empty."
        echo 'Aborting installation.'
        exit 1
    fi
fi

# Installer of choice for conda
CONDA_INSTALLER_URL='https://repo.anaconda.com/miniconda/Miniconda3-latest-Linux-x86_64.sh'

# Unset pre-existing python paths
if [[ -n ${PYTHONPATH} ]]; then
    unset PYTHONPATH
fi

# Downlad latest version of miniconda and install it
title 'Downloading and installing conda'
wget -O miniconda.sh "${CONDA_INSTALLER_URL}" \
    && chmod +x miniconda.sh \
    && ./miniconda.sh -b -p "${CONDA_INSTALL_DIR}" \
    && rm ./miniconda.sh

# Configure conda
title 'Configuring conda'
eval "$(${CONDA_INSTALL_DIR}/bin/conda shell.bash hook)"
conda config --add pkgs_dirs "${CONDA_PACKET_CACHE_DIR}" --system
conda config --add envs_dirs "${CONDA_ENV_DIR}" --system
conda config --set auto_activate_base false
conda deactivate

# Prevent conda from using user site-packages
mkdir -p "${CONDA_INSTALL_DIR}/etc/conda/activate.d"
cat > "${CONDA_INSTALL_DIR}/etc/conda/activate.d/disable-PYTHONUSERBASE.sh" << EOF
#!/bin/bash
export PYTHONUSERBASE=intentionally-disabled
EOF
chmod +x "${CONDA_INSTALL_DIR}/etc/conda/activate.d/disable-PYTHONUSERBASE.sh"

# Update conda and conda base environment
title 'Updating conda and conda base environment'
conda update conda --yes
conda update -n 'base' --update-all --yes

# Clean installation
title 'Removing unused packages and caches'
conda clean --all --yes

# Display information about this conda installation
title 'Information about this conda installation'
conda info

# Show how to initialize conda
title 'Initialize conda immediately'
echo "eval \"\$(${CONDA_INSTALL_DIR}/bin/conda shell.bash hook)\""
title 'Automatically initialize conda for future shell sessions'
echo "echo '[[ -f ${CONDA_INSTALL_DIR}/bin/conda ]] && eval \"\$(${CONDA_INSTALL_DIR}/bin/conda shell.bash hook)\"' >> ${HOME}/.bashrc"

# Show how to remove conda
title 'Completely remove conda'
echo "rm -r ${CONDA_INSTALL_DIR} ${CONDA_INSTALL_DIR}_pkgs ${CONDA_INSTALL_DIR}_envs ${HOME}/.conda"

Save this script as install_conda.sh, make it executable with

chmod +x ./install_conda.sh

and run the script to show options for choosing storage locations by issuing

./install_conda.sh help

Then run the script again with the option of your choosing to start the installation.

  • When the script ends it prints out information about the installation, commands to initialize conda immediately or every time you log in and a command to completely remove your conda installation.

  • Choose your preferred method of initializing conda as recommended by the script and note down the deletion command.

conda storage locations

Pre-set install locations

The purpose of the install scripts' options is to store data according to its importance and prevent using up your quota. The difference between the two pre-set installation locations is:

  • netscratch: fail-safe because it resides on a RAID but slower startup times as it is a network share

  • localscratch: single point of failure because it is just one disk but faster startup times as it is a local disk

Neither of the pre-set locations has an automatic backup. Use the recommended backup practice instead.

Custom install location

If you intend to use a custom install location, consult the storage overview to choose it adequately and follow these recommendations:

  • Reproducible, space consuming data like environments and package cache belongs into storage class SCRATCH

  • Code written by yourself should be backuped regularly. It consumes a small amount of space therefore it's ideal location is in storage class HOME and additionally checked into your git repository.

  • Data generated over a long time period which would be time consuming to recreate from scratch and is in use regularly should be stored in the storage class PROJECT.

  • Data generated as a final result which is not needed for ongoing work but needs to be available for later generations should be stored in the storage class ARCHIVE.

conda directories

The installation creates the following two directories in the install location:

  • conda: Contains the miniconda installation

  • conda_pkgs: Contains the cache for downloaded and decompressed packages

Creating the first environment creates an additional directory in the install location:

  • conda_envs: Contains the created environment(s)

Using conda

conda allows to seperate installed software packages from each other by creating so-called environments. Using environments is best practice to generate deterministic and reproducible tools.

conda takes care of dependencies common to the packages it is asked to install. If two packages have a common dependency but define a differing range of version requirements of said dependency, conda chooses the highest common version number. This means the dependency installed in an environment with both packages together might have a lower version number than in environments seperating both packages.

It is best practice to seperate packages in different environments if they don't need to interact.

For a complete guide to conda see the official documentation.

The official cheat sheet contains a compact summary of common commands. An abbreviated list to get you started is shown below.

Installation examples

For conda, python itself is just a software package as any other. After analyzing all packages to be installed it decides which python version works for the whole environment. This means different environments may contain differing versions of python.

Creating an environment with a specific python version

  • Time to install: ~1 minute
  • Space required: ~140M

conda create --name py38 python=3.8.5

Creating an environment with the GPU version of pytorch and CUDA toolkit 10

  • Time to install: ~5 minutes
  • Space required: ~2.5G

conda create --name pytcu10 pytorch torchvision cudatoolkit=10.1 --channel pytorch

Creating an environment with the GPU version of tensorflow and CUDA toolkit 10

  • Time to install: ~5 minutes
  • Space required: ~2G

conda create --name tencu10 tensorflow-gpu cudatoolkit=10.1

Environments

conda automatically installs a default environment called base with a python interpreter, pip and other tools to start coding in python.

  • /!\ It is strongly discouraged to use the base environment for projects. It's purpose is to provide the tools to maintain other environments, nothing else.

  • /!\ Set up a new environment for each project. This ensures reproducability and facilitates environment related problem solving.

  • /!\ Only auto activate an environment in your shell initialisation script if you understand exactly what this entails.

  • It's good practice to make sure conda is initialized and the wanted environment is active before trying to use it

Create an environment called "my_env" with packages "package1" and "package2" installed

conda create --name my_env package1 package2

Activate the environment called "my_env"

conda activate my_env

Deactivate the current environment

conda deactivate

List available environments

conda env list

Remove the environment called "my_env"

conda remove --name my_env --all

Create a cloned environment named "cloned_env" from "original_env"

conda create --name cloned_env --clone original_env

Export the active environment definition to the file "my_env.yml"

This command is also the basis for backing up an environment.

conda env export --json --name my_env > my_env.yml

Recreate a previously exported environment

conda env create --file my_env.yml

Creates the environment "my_env" in the specified location

This example is for creating the environment on local scratch for faster disk access

conda create --prefix /scratch/$USER/conda_envs/my_env

Update an active environment

Make sure to create a backup by exporting the active environment before updating.

conda update --update-all

Packages

Search for a package named "package1"

conda search package1

Search for packages with "pack" in their name

conda search *pack*

Install the package named "package1" in the active environment

conda install package1

List packages installed in the active environment

conda list

Add software channels

The list of available software can be extended by adding channels of selected repositories. The priority of the channels is set in order of configuration. In the following example, Conda-Forge has the highest priority over Bioconda, with the default channel at the lowest priority.

conda config --add channels defaults
conda config --add channels bioconda
conda config --add channels conda-forge

Show software channels

The following command shows the available channels in order of priority (highest first):

conda config --show channels

Search for public (unofficial) packages

Packages maintained by the public and their respective channels can be searched on Anaconda Cloud.

Installing packages with pip

Using pip to install packages in a conda environment is not recommended. The reasons are explained extensively in the article Using Pip in a Conda Environment.
In case a package is only available through pip, follow the best practices checklist outlined in this article. The following is a short summary of the checklist:

  • Install as many dependencies as possible with conda before resorting to pip

  • Set the experimental option conda config --set pip_interop_enabled True

  • For details see Improving interoperability with pip

  • Don't run pip with a non-default option --upgrade-strategy, keep the default of --upgrade-strategy only-if-needed

Miscellaneous

Display information about the current conda installation

conda info

Check for conda initialization and active environment

To make sure conda is initialized and an environment is active the following script can be started:

#!/bin/bash

if [[ -z ${CONDA_EXE} ]]; then
    echo 'Environment variable CONDA_EXE is not set.'
    echo 'Please make sure conda is properly initialized.'
    exit 1
else
    if [[ ! -x ${CONDA_EXE} ]]; then
        echo "${CONDA_EXE} is not executable."
        echo "Please make sure it exists and is executable."
        exit 2
    else
        if [[ -z ${CONDA_DEFAULT_ENV} ]]; then
            echo 'Environment variable CONDA_DEFAULT_ENV is not set.'
            echo 'Please make sure to activate a conda environment.'
            exit 3
        else
            conda info
        fi
    fi
fi

Save this script as conda_env_check.sh, make it executable with

chmod +x ./conda_env_check.sh

A use case is to start this script within a cluster job before using the first command installed in an environment. You can either run the script from your cluster job or place your job commands into the innermost branch after the command conda info.

Change TMPDIR

If the message "Not enough space on partition mounted at /tmp." is shown during a package installation, create a directory in a location with enough available space and point the TMPDIR variable to this location:

TMPDIR="/scratch/$USER/tmp" && mkdir -p "${TMPDIR}" && export TMPDIR

Maintenance

The cache of installed packages will consume a lot of space over time. The default location set for the package cache resides on NetScratch, the terms of use for this storage area require you to clean your cache regularly.

Remove index cache, lock files, unused cache packages, and tarballs

conda clean --all

Update conda without any active environment

conda update conda

Convenient alias

Above commands can be conveniently pulled together and defined as an alias for easier manual updates of the base environment and subsequent cleanup:

alias conda_update='conda update conda --yes && conda update -n base --update-all --yes && conda clean --all --yes'

Backup

Regular backups are recommended to be able to reproduce an environment used at a certain point in time. Before installing or updating an environment, a backup should always be created in order to be able to revert the changes.

It is not necessary to backup environments themselves, it is sufficient to backup the files of environment exports to recreate them exactly.

For a simple backup of all environments the following script can be used:

#!/bin/bash

BACKUP_DIR="${HOME}/conda_env_backup"
MY_TIME_FORMAT='%Y-%m-%d_%H-%M-%S'

NOW=$(date "+${MY_TIME_FORMAT}")
[[ ! -d "${BACKUP_DIR}" ]] && mkdir "${BACKUP_DIR}"
ENVS=$(conda env list |grep '^\w' |cut -d' ' -f1)
for env in $ENVS; do
    echo "Exporting ${env} to ${BACKUP_DIR}/${env}_${NOW}.yml"
    conda env export --name "${env}"> "${BACKUP_DIR}/${env}_${NOW}.yml"
done

Programming/Languages/Conda (last edited 2024-11-14 16:07:38 by stroth)